Mindset Makeover: Transforming Mental Health for Lasting Weight Loss and Authentic Living
Welcome back to The Weight Loss Collab! In today’s episode, “Mentality Mindset,” co-hosts Dr. Dovec and Hannah Schuyler are joined by special guest Chalmers McCahill, founder of The Mentality Makeover. Together, they dive deep into the powerful connection between mindset, stress, and relationships on the journey toward better health and weight loss.
Chalmers shares her unique perspective on why transforming our mental “interior design”—those outdated patterns and self-narratives—is just as important as physical health. She unpacks how our mental, spiritual, and physical well-being are all connected, and explains how awareness, vulnerability, and community are essential tools for lasting transformation.
From practical talk about coaching, the role of authenticity, and learning how to set boundaries, to insightful stories about overcoming perfectionism and embracing growth at any age, this conversation is packed with real, relatable advice. Whether you’re just starting your weight loss journey, feeling stuck, or wanting to deepen your understanding of yourself, this episode will inspire you to check your own “mental engine light” and take those next steps toward a truly healthy, happy life.
Tune in for tons of actionable insights—and a healthy dose of compassion—as we uncover the mindset shifts that lead not just to weight loss, but to a life of meaning and joy.
Transcript
She's a doctor. Hi, I'm Dr. Dovec, and she's a dietitian.
Speaker:Hey, I'm Hannah Schuyler, and together we are the weight loss
Speaker:collab. Nailed it. Hello. Here we go.
Speaker:Today, I am so excited to have my dear friend
Speaker:expert Chalmers McCahill here with the Mentality
Speaker:Makeover. And we are going to dive into all
Speaker:things mindset, stress,
Speaker:relationships. This conversation is just going to take
Speaker:all kinds of twists and turns. I know this woman, and I
Speaker:just. I love your perspective. I love. I love your
Speaker:wordsmithing. I love the way you talk, and I think that our
Speaker:listeners are going to love you, too. So thank you
Speaker:so much. Thank you guys for having me. And as you know, I adore you.
Speaker:You guys are just pioneers in your field, and
Speaker:it's a privilege to watch you and how you inspire and
Speaker:uplift. And I think we're basically all doing the same thing. We're just trying
Speaker:to have everyone live a life full
Speaker:of meaning and happiness and purpose and where everyone feels
Speaker:safe in their own skin and in their own body.
Speaker:And that's. That's what I love to do. So I started
Speaker:the Mentality Makeover. I was actually an interior designer
Speaker:prior to this. It's not much different, believe it or not, because now I'm just
Speaker:an interior designer. You know, we're sort of breaking
Speaker:it down. But as I relate the two, that's why I said
Speaker:makeover. You know, it's a mentality makeover. We have to go in and we
Speaker:have to demo what's not working or what's old, you know, old
Speaker:maladaptive patterns and behaviors that we have,
Speaker:you know, used that may not be working for us
Speaker:that maybe are a little dated, you know, the same way, like a kitchen, you're
Speaker:like, this isn't working anymore. It used to work, but now things have changed in
Speaker:my life. So we demo the old, and then we get to
Speaker:redesign. And that's why I love the.
Speaker:The forum that I use with coaching has a very different
Speaker:style. It's sort of. We're able to work in therapy.
Speaker:Therapy's a little bit different. We're able to go back and sort of deep
Speaker:dive and discover success. And it's like, you know, a surgeon.
Speaker:You go in and you figure out what's wrong, or you go back and you
Speaker:look at people's eating patterns and you go, aha. You know, here's
Speaker:where the pain point is. And then you say, okay,
Speaker:here's what we're going to do. And we map out, I love to say
Speaker:we plug in a gps, figure out where the client wants to go,
Speaker:and then we gently, lovingly, in a
Speaker:safe space, without judgment, in a confidential
Speaker:way, guide you and support you with all of
Speaker:the tools that we have learned. And again, you can.
Speaker:You can go back, we can reference, we can diagnose some things. But
Speaker:I just feel everybody is whole, complete and resourceful.
Speaker:And if we treat people like they're broken or something's wrong, then
Speaker:they'll think that. So the method, I like to use a gentle approach.
Speaker:And instead of people always coming and saying, something's wrong with me, what's wrong
Speaker:with me? Trying to teach them and rewire them to say,
Speaker:what am I feeling? What am I feeling? And
Speaker:what is something that's, you know, maybe creating this, and can I
Speaker:just sit in this emotion instead of trying to outrun it? So
Speaker:that's. That's where we are. That's. That's. A lot of the clients that I have,
Speaker:they just, they come in and I, I hope to
Speaker:inspire other people to say, there's
Speaker:something. Check engine light. That's. That's where we are
Speaker:with our mentality. And when something's
Speaker:off, that's your body's alarm system saying, oh, we need to
Speaker:look under the hood. But a lot of times people don't. They just keep driving.
Speaker:And then what happens? You know, you. You break down. Eventually you're going
Speaker:to have a breakdown. But don't wait until it gets to that point,
Speaker:you know, to reach out, listen, and learn to understand your
Speaker:body's signals. Yeah. So.
Speaker:Wow. Yeah, there's a lot here, and I. Want to, like,
Speaker:there's a lot to unpack. I know there's a lot. And I think whether
Speaker:you're struggling with your weight or you're struggling with anxiety or stress or things
Speaker:for other reasons, like, okay, let's. Let's break it down. Like, where do you.
Speaker:It's all connected to mental health. So mental health is.
Speaker:I call it the triad. So we have our physical health, right? And we,
Speaker:we take care of that. We are very mindful of that.
Speaker:You know, something's wrong. We have our
Speaker:spiritual health, and then we have our mental health. So everyone has
Speaker:mental health. We just, you know, sometimes we don't
Speaker:really break it down that way. Mental health is not just, oh,
Speaker:depression or anxiety. It is
Speaker:the way you feel, the way you think, the way you relate, the way you
Speaker:behave, basically the way that you see the world and the way
Speaker:that you view the world. And it's just a culmination of Your
Speaker:experiences and the narratives that you've sort of wired
Speaker:into the neuropathways of your brain to say, okay,
Speaker:perception's reality, this is the way I see things. So
Speaker:how your life is going, how your relationships are
Speaker:curated, how you're feeling in your
Speaker:primary relationships, all of those things,
Speaker:you know, what is my body like, what is my, even my physical health?
Speaker:So I like to put mental health at the top because that
Speaker:sort of, it trickles down, you know,
Speaker:because if, if, if one is unstable, it's just that, like I said,
Speaker:just to like the recycle sign, it all goes awry.
Speaker:So that, that is mental health in
Speaker:a, like, in a little, the best I can do to sort of
Speaker:bottom line it. Yeah, a little nutshell. Yeah, in a little nutshell.
Speaker:So like I said, we have the physical health. Your spiritual health is, is to
Speaker:say, okay, there's something bigger than me. Whether I believe in the universe,
Speaker:whether it's God, whether it's just something more for
Speaker:yourself. Everybody has to have, you know, that purpose
Speaker:filled sense about them. So I
Speaker:try and work all together. So I do something called
Speaker:a wheel of life and we section it out into all the
Speaker:portions of your life and we give it a ranking and we, we
Speaker:do a deviation number of where you feel that you are, where you want to
Speaker:be. And, and then we sort of go off of that to figure
Speaker:out where's the greatest pain point and how can we, you know, move
Speaker:people through that? Because I just don't. I want people to feel free.
Speaker:Yeah, I want people to feel free. I want them to take the inner
Speaker:critic and, and do the inner work
Speaker:to move that. And. Yeah, so,
Speaker:yeah. So on mental health, just to sort of bottom line that. And then,
Speaker:you know, of course we could spin off on the other things, but. Well,
Speaker:so okay, so a new client comes in, a new patient. Someone's like
Speaker:in this space, maybe the light just came on or maybe they are
Speaker:like I'm really in a breakdown or I'm about to get
Speaker:there. How do you, how do you start this conversation? Like where do.
Speaker:There's so many different things there. Like how do you begin to
Speaker:really build trust with this person? Because you're saying some
Speaker:really big things that you want to get really vulnerable to be able to
Speaker:approve themselves. So how do you even broach this
Speaker:relationship with, with the patients that you have? So we start
Speaker:off in, we do a free discovery call always. That's just that
Speaker:is that time to, you know, it's called a discover
Speaker:because you can't, you can't get to know anything without curiosity. And
Speaker:really just taking a little dive down. And then we start to deep
Speaker:dive, but just to skim the surface. Let's just call it a snorkel.
Speaker:You know, you. You get to see just from above. So I
Speaker:asked them to sort of do that. I want you to step away,
Speaker:pretend that it's not you saying it. I don't want you to say it as
Speaker:you're feeling at the time. I want you to try and do it as if
Speaker:you're in the room and you're looking, and then we can pinpoint because
Speaker:you don't really want to trigger some things and emotions. If that happen,
Speaker:great. Let it out, get it out. I teach people crying is your
Speaker:body's natural pressure release. It has to happen
Speaker:whether you're really dysregulated in a good way
Speaker:or in. In a bad way. It's just saying, okay, something's
Speaker:off, and, and I need. I'm overwhelmed.
Speaker:You could, like I said, you could be really happy, it could be really, really
Speaker:sad. But that is. That is an effective tool. So
Speaker:when we give permission for whatever emotions arise to happen.
Speaker:But I, I try and get them to sort of section it
Speaker:off. It's like how you eat an elephant, you know, one
Speaker:bite at a time, right? So I, I start to piecemeal, you
Speaker:know, take deep breaths, make sure they're in a.
Speaker:A space that they're uninterrupted. If they need to use the restroom,
Speaker:grab a snack, have a water. I just want them to have everything
Speaker:that they need and feel like this call is fully devoted to them,
Speaker:constantly reminding them that this is their time, this is their life.
Speaker:They're the CEO, they're the designer. And if you could wave a magic
Speaker:wand, what are the things that you would want to change
Speaker:without any other external circumstances coming into play? So
Speaker:that's part of the discovery is sort of blocking out, you know,
Speaker:well, my husband did this, and if my daughter went in and if I didn't
Speaker:have talk to me, what you would do without any of those
Speaker:things in play? Because the biggest thing that a lot of
Speaker:people have the issue with is really silencing the external noise.
Speaker:Especially nowadays in the world.
Speaker:There's. There's a lot of pressure, there's a lot of expectations. We are
Speaker:reminded and compared so often. So it's that
Speaker:time with them, you know, to really
Speaker:just be with them and remind them
Speaker:that I'm speaking to you, you know, not,
Speaker:not old narratives. And then we. We get into the pain Points,
Speaker:you know, what are, what are the issues? Talk to me about some of the
Speaker:symptoms that you're having, some of the things that are triggering you, you
Speaker:know, is there a pattern? You know, that you begin to
Speaker:feel this way and based off of everything, pretty much
Speaker:in an hour's time. It's.
Speaker:This is why I love the training that I went through. It's.
Speaker:We really are trained to sort of see all of the
Speaker:things, and then there's just a natural empathy that comes
Speaker:with this calling, so to speak. I mean, that's. That's
Speaker:exactly what it is. Being able to feel people deeply
Speaker:on a level and just be with them
Speaker:in the circumstances. Because my favorite trauma expert, Dr. Gabor Mate,
Speaker:when he always says, don't ask why the addiction as by the
Speaker:pain. So if someone's, you know, having a problem with
Speaker:overeating or drinking or spending or
Speaker:excessive, you know, workaholism
Speaker:or, you know, men,
Speaker:women, whatever they're indulging in at the time, it's like something's
Speaker:the matter or there's an issue, you know, when you look
Speaker:at the behavior. That's the telling part. But he also says
Speaker:pain can never be moved without the acknowledgment of it.
Speaker:So until we ever acknowledge suffering, it will never
Speaker:go away. So there's a wound like you sew
Speaker:up every day, right? We create. We have a cut. We
Speaker:create something. What if I grabbed your arm and I said, oh,
Speaker:I'm gonna just kiss it and it's gonna get all better. As children,
Speaker:we really do believe that that healed us, but it really didn't.
Speaker:So now we walk around thinking that, okay, that's good. We band
Speaker:aided it. We've given it love, we've given
Speaker:it attention. We put a band aid on it. It's all good, but deep down,
Speaker:it's festering. There is an infection now. Now
Speaker:it's going to need a big shot of antibiotics. And that's typically.
Speaker:It's the same thing when you have an emotional wound. There's something there that
Speaker:happened where it never got healed, it never got acknowledged, it never
Speaker:got closed up. And what do we do? We mask it. We cover it up.
Speaker:We cope. We love to walk around, you know,
Speaker:as if. As if nothing's wrong. But then all of a sudden, we're
Speaker:the generation who is tired but wired.
Speaker:And it's like, that's the first telling sign. Yeah,
Speaker:that's the first sign that you're. You're on the verge of maybe a
Speaker:little burnout, maybe a little overachievement. Syndrome,
Speaker:maybe self care is not bubble baths and
Speaker:aromatherapy. It's boundaries that is the ultimate
Speaker:self care. And so it's really back to,
Speaker:you know, your original question. This is all of the things we
Speaker:learn from the client when, when we're
Speaker:exploring, you know, how do they tackle circumstances, how are they
Speaker:managing it? How do they open up the, the forum
Speaker:to things in their life? Do they put out the chairs and welcome it?
Speaker:Or, or do they have tight boundaries too, closed off to where they sever
Speaker:connection? So, yeah, we just, we,
Speaker:we, we dive in. We really do. And I give people the
Speaker:opportunity to say whether they want to do a FaceTime, whether they want to come
Speaker:in person, but I see people all over. I have clients in Australia,
Speaker:I have clients in Bali, Texas,
Speaker:Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, So
Speaker:Tennessee. And that's the great thing about coaching as well,
Speaker:is that therapy. There's so many regulations that you have in. If I
Speaker:see you and I have a relationship with you and you need to travel
Speaker:for work that week, I can't help you with your mental health. You know,
Speaker:this is nothing against therapy, but it's just, it's difficult because
Speaker:here, in this way, I
Speaker:can, I can help you no matter where you are, and we can
Speaker:do it over Zoom. But a lot of clients don't like, especially early
Speaker:on, being on Zoom, because having the
Speaker:phone, it's basically a call. You can be vulnerable, you can make that
Speaker:ugly cry face. You can take a pause, you can take a sip
Speaker:of water. You can, you know, if you feel more comfortable and more
Speaker:vulnerable, having no clothes on, whatever, is going to help you
Speaker:begin to start chipping away and shedding
Speaker:those, those pain points or even just. It doesn't even have
Speaker:one amazing client. He is probably one of just.
Speaker:He wows me all the time. He didn't come to me with any
Speaker:sort of pain. He came and he's like, I have a life, but I just
Speaker:feel like something's missing. And I feel like I want to learn more. And I
Speaker:just, I want you to teach me things and I want to discover more about
Speaker:myself and I want to discover more for my kids. It's just
Speaker:amazing because when we stop learning, by the way, no one's mental health is
Speaker:perfect. Even a mental health professional. Don't let anyone fool you,
Speaker:because the day you're just like, oh, I've got it all together, the universe is
Speaker:brilliantly going to be like, my beer. I can't wait. I can't wait.
Speaker:Yeah, then we should all go stick our Head in an oven and call it
Speaker:a day if you've got it figured out. You know, in, in
Speaker:my case, God's never done working on us, so we're a constant work
Speaker:in progress. And that's the difference between a growth mindset
Speaker:to the victim mindset. And that's another thing that we really struggle
Speaker:with. You know, some people, they sort of have this
Speaker:mentality of why is all these bad things happening to me?
Speaker:Or why are these bad things happening to me? Or why can't I just seem
Speaker:to get ahead? Or, you know, I feel like everything's out
Speaker:to get me or darn the bad luck. And it's
Speaker:retraining the brain to understand that everyone
Speaker:deals with these things. That comparison's the enemy. Comfort
Speaker:is also the enemy. And you see these people that you think haven't made that
Speaker:are super comfortable. They're not. We're not,
Speaker:we're struggling just like everyone else. The degree. But pain is relative.
Speaker:Whether you tell someone it's painful to go through a divorce, or it's more painful
Speaker:to get diagnosed with a terminal illness, or it's more painful to lose it, you
Speaker:can't. Everyone's pain has to be acknowledged
Speaker:and supported and loved because we've never shamed
Speaker:anyone into healing. Especially when I went back
Speaker:and got my addiction certification. You cannot shame
Speaker:anyone into bettering themselves. You have to love
Speaker:someone and support them through it. And the biggest obstacle that people
Speaker:don't really understand is that it's not that these people don't want to
Speaker:get better, especially people in your life. I call it more difficult
Speaker:relationships, our loved one or even ourselves. It's just
Speaker:they don't have the tools. Sometimes we don't have the tools. I
Speaker:parent teenagers and a. And an 8 year old
Speaker:who's an 18 year old. And I'm like, some days I am
Speaker:struggling, but
Speaker:I commit to gaining and
Speaker:furthering my education and going through seminars
Speaker:and reading and brushing up on all the latest and
Speaker:greatest material and the professionals that we have, we have
Speaker:never in the history of ever had so much information at
Speaker:our fingertips. So to see someone in pain and to
Speaker:see someone to continue to struggle breaks me. Because I'm like, you don't
Speaker:have to. So I try and get it out there as best
Speaker:I can just to promote mental health and be an
Speaker:advocate for it. Because this is your well being, this is your
Speaker:livelihood. This, this determines everything. It's a factor
Speaker:if you're struggling in any way, shape or form
Speaker:which you are, whether you want to admit it or not, You. Are anyone
Speaker:listening in, in whatever. You know
Speaker:that, that wheel of life we talked about, which is another thing I do with
Speaker:the clients, we, we go and break it down and make that assessment.
Speaker:You don't have to. You don't have to. You have people here
Speaker:willing to guide you who have been through
Speaker:life. I mean, there are a lot of things. I would never hire a golf
Speaker:coach who hasn't golfed. I would have a tennis coach
Speaker:who doesn't play tennis. Hiring a
Speaker:mental health coach and a life coach who hasn't been through some really
Speaker:like, spectacular,
Speaker:awful, earth shattering, heartbreaking things
Speaker:in life. That is when you know not to find someone
Speaker:who's perfect and who has their life together. Find someone who can
Speaker:just go through the muck with you, who's been
Speaker:there, who can tell you how to pull up your bootstraps and to give you
Speaker:the somatic exercises and to teach, teach you the tools to get through it.
Speaker:Because we've done it. So, yeah, it's,
Speaker:it's interesting. Just going back to what you said about like lifelong learning. I feel
Speaker:like that phrase always to me triggers like, oh, like going back to school
Speaker:or learning about, you know, a certain topic or some.
Speaker:Something just interests you maybe, but like more in the like, education
Speaker:sphere. Like, but no, that really can apply to learning about
Speaker:yourself or learning about your life. And so it's like just kind
Speaker:of. That reframe of that is kind of an interesting thought on mine that it
Speaker:is. It's like, oh, yeah, we're just always learning. But it doesn't mean
Speaker:academically necessarily. Yeah, yeah, well, we're growing, right? Because
Speaker:when you say it's growth because you cannot, I mean, even an animal,
Speaker:right. You outgrow. They shed their skin. Think of
Speaker:exoskeletons and all these other things. I mean, fur you shed.
Speaker:We shed our skin daily. And that's, that's
Speaker:regrowth. We were born to grow
Speaker:a tree. You know, everything is here to grow. We start
Speaker:off very volatile as that baby seedling. And then along the.
Speaker:There's elements that, that are growth factors. And that's what I call,
Speaker:you know, the experiences that we have in our life.
Speaker:But the goal is to get to that point that you
Speaker:are this, this beautiful, stable,
Speaker:fruitful being as, as,
Speaker:you know, if we want to compare it to nature. And
Speaker:yeah, so it's, it's the growth mindset to say, like, I'm
Speaker:done, you know, no more. It sets. What a
Speaker:travesty. What a travesty. But a lot of people right
Speaker:now it's, it's authenticity and it's the self. Because
Speaker:like you said earlier, we love to learn about,
Speaker:you know, let me read about the latest sports things, you know, or
Speaker:statistics or. Exactly. Politics. I mean, let me read,
Speaker:you know, the news in the morning or let me watch this. It's like all
Speaker:that, but then you have people who don't even know themselves. Yes. If I
Speaker:ask 50 people, who are you?
Speaker:Maybe two. Maybe two can really give
Speaker:a good answer because they'll give me roles. Well, I'm a doctor. I'm an
Speaker:now it's a role you play. I'm a mother. Still a role.
Speaker:I'm a. I'm a this. Nope, that's a title. Who are
Speaker:you and what is your purpose and what do you
Speaker:feel like you're here for? And maybe that's, you know, what we're missing,
Speaker:but that's what we really sort of navigate and start to
Speaker:fine tune and round out
Speaker:in the discovery phase. And it's like I was referring to plants.
Speaker:If there's something in your life that's toxic, we're very hesitant to prune it
Speaker:because we have an enmeshment or attachment issues because oftentimes to
Speaker:prune what isn't for us is to actually prove part of the self.
Speaker:And that is a, like, it feels like
Speaker:abandoning yourself when you have to make these changes. And some people
Speaker:just genuinely can't do it. Yeah. I mean, gosh,
Speaker:authenticity, you know, knowing thyself,
Speaker:not just being a title, you know, I feel like. Do you
Speaker:think that that actually improves with age? Like, yes,
Speaker:I'm 20s, 30s now. I'm approaching my mid-40s.
Speaker:Oh my God. But I will say that I. I really
Speaker:feel like I the pinnacle of life right now, at least
Speaker:comparatively. I hope it just keeps. I hope I'm not at the pinnacle. I hope
Speaker:it just keeps getting better. But I feel like, I
Speaker:would say like in my 30s, like back to that whole title thing. I was
Speaker:so attached to being a busy bariatric surgeon. That's like my
Speaker:claim to fame. And that's how I actually. Hannah's for me,
Speaker:badge of busyness. I'm. I was one of the most successful bariatric
Speaker:surgeons and I was all about volume. And if my month, if April
Speaker:was worse than March, well, then it's over. And
Speaker:I, like, I always, I'll just say, like, I feel like my self worth and
Speaker:like who I am and like how I feel about myself is all tied to
Speaker:how I'm doing on a black and white spreadsheet of earning.
Speaker:What's the performance based overachievement like portion of
Speaker:society and our age group is really
Speaker:feeling that because back in the day. So I'll say this, this will,
Speaker:this will help children, all of us, humans in general.
Speaker:There are four ways that we are going to get love and this is it.
Speaker:This four ways. Okay, this was Esther Peril. I love her.
Speaker:Yeah, I think this is her. But, but
Speaker:she talked about their. So if we. There
Speaker:are needs of a child, right? And there any needs that are going to go
Speaker:unmet. The brain is brilliantly wired for survival.
Speaker:So a lot of people struggling right now. There's nothing wrong with you, you're just
Speaker:in survival mode. The brain is only wired for
Speaker:survival and that's what procreation is as well. But it's
Speaker:still surviving, right? We want to survive the human race.
Speaker:So if the needs that we have when we're a child don't
Speaker:get met, which is I need to feel loved, I need to feel safe. I
Speaker:need to feel that I matter and protected. Safe, protected. Same
Speaker:thing. They will do four things and I guarantee you we will
Speaker:all, everyone in this room will be like, oh my God, that's me. Or
Speaker:oh my God, that was me. Or that's my dad, that's my sister, that's my
Speaker:brother, or that's my own children. We will begin to label what child is what.
Speaker:So number one, they are brilliant. They have to be brilliant.
Speaker:You become brilliant at something. My daughter, the track star,
Speaker:my son, the soccer player, you know,
Speaker:my Jenny, the straight A student.
Speaker:They. They take something and they run with it
Speaker:and that is it. Like you said, that is their, their self worth is now
Speaker:tied up in a beautiful bow. And the parents,
Speaker:that's the applause they get, right? So we get love. So they say, okay, I
Speaker:get love for my parents when I perform in whatever area
Speaker:it is. And. And that's my. Oh my God. My parents
Speaker:are so proud of me and they love me when I do this. So that's
Speaker:one way kids get love. Number two, they're sick. They're
Speaker:sick. Something's always wrong with them. They stub their
Speaker:toe. They're always the ones prone to accidents. They're. Oh my gosh. I
Speaker:think on my chest. Do you think it's this like, what do you think this
Speaker:is like? Mom, I think my finger's broken. You know, I stubbed
Speaker:my toe. I don't feel good, whatever it is. And then
Speaker:adulthood, this sort of turns into hypochondria. You
Speaker:know, we all know those People who, no matter who we call,
Speaker:when we call them, there's always something to matter. You know, there's just
Speaker:always something to matter because they have figured out that whatever
Speaker:ailment it could, it may not just be health, it just
Speaker:be their life or they're going to nitpick apart
Speaker:everything that, that is, that is wrong and that is sad because they
Speaker:get sympathy, empathy, your attention, your
Speaker:tolerance. And that's how they navigate.
Speaker:Number three. You become the caretaker. You
Speaker:become the caretaker and you say, okay, I never really
Speaker:got my needs met in this specific way. So I know
Speaker:I will bypass this and I will,
Speaker:will, I'll start taking care of everyone and then I'll get that
Speaker:reward back. You know, they say when you give you, you receive tenfold.
Speaker:It is true. These are typically your, your, your doctors,
Speaker:your mental health professionals, your nurses. It truly is a call
Speaker:little girl who maybe had the mother who was an
Speaker:alcoholic and who was always cleaning up after her
Speaker:and helping her when she fell over or was sick or helping hide
Speaker:her bottles or going to the store and doing these things.
Speaker:So the caretaking became the connection. The
Speaker:son who saw the single mom struggle
Speaker:and always mom, I'll work, I'll help pay the bills. And so
Speaker:helping became sort of I'm the helper, I'm the people
Speaker:pleaser. I'm the person that everybody can depend on
Speaker:and my needs get met through, through being the
Speaker:dependable one. And lastly, when all those are taken,
Speaker:you have the rebel. You have the one who is always
Speaker:in trouble, who you can guarantee you're going to get a call from the
Speaker:principal's office who they're. You're going to get a call from jail.
Speaker:They can't keep a job. They're always getting fired. They're always caught with
Speaker:something they just cannot seem to find north,
Speaker:no matter how far they try. And
Speaker:it's a bid for attention because the brain doesn't know the difference between negative
Speaker:attention from mom and dad or oh my gosh, I've got to do
Speaker:this. I've got to. Now he's in trouble again. I've got to go in. But
Speaker:why can't you just do this? Little Johnny doesn't matter. They're getting
Speaker:their parents because siblings are automatically a threat to us as a
Speaker:human race. Right. It's like there's my parent that is the
Speaker:beacon of my needs. They're literally my, my,
Speaker:my water, my, My source. Yeah, everything. And
Speaker:now these other humans are, are coming in.
Speaker:So, so they're. Everything is a threat. So again, Our brain is wired for
Speaker:safety and survival. So we figure out a way
Speaker:to take on our own little individual role, whether it. This is
Speaker:all subconscious, right? And then sometimes it follows
Speaker:us into adulthood. So, yeah,
Speaker:so we're either the height of contact who's always
Speaker:eating, our spouse, or my spouse is taking care. Or like I said, you. You
Speaker:get it? Or the overachiever who's like, I did this, or, you know, I
Speaker:have to have to be first. You're not first. Or last. And at the end
Speaker:of the day, it's, it's. It takes a toll on your mental health because
Speaker:guess what? No one's got a measuring stick.
Speaker:Really. At the end of the day, it's, it's.
Speaker:There's nothing more attractive than seeing someone
Speaker:be in their own essence
Speaker:and owning who they are. You know, we've got this thing say, oh,
Speaker:so and so's extra, you know, so, okay,
Speaker:as Mel Robbins says, let them. Yeah, but the problem is, is a lot of
Speaker:people hear these things and then they try and dim themselves down.
Speaker:Or sometimes people feel like they're not enough, so then they try. It's like
Speaker:you are you as you are, and as long as you're committed to
Speaker:growing in yourself and who you are
Speaker:and not the external forces and factors that are telling
Speaker:you how to be and shaping you when you can really. There's a reason why
Speaker:monks go into solitude. That's why.
Speaker:Yeah, right. Because there's a difference between loneliness
Speaker:and solitude. Being alone is just, okay, I'm alone.
Speaker:But it's how you interpret it, how you feel. Yes. I'm either going to go
Speaker:into. I'm low, there's a loneliness, or, okay, this is solitude. But
Speaker:solitude is where we do the work. That is where we can
Speaker:really sit and listen to ourselves. That's why meditation is. Is really
Speaker:important. I don't do it enough. I probably should, but. How many times have we
Speaker:talked about meditation? Right? It's. It's one of those things you're like, I'm gonna get
Speaker:to it. But even people can meditate without it being. It's not just sitting
Speaker:up, you know, with your legs crossed and your hands out with. You know, music
Speaker:and meditation sometimes can look like waking up, letting
Speaker:the alarm go off and just laying there. How was
Speaker:my day? How was my night? What do I want my day to look like?
Speaker:Can I set my intentions? How is my body feeling right now?
Speaker:Sort of just coming into the awareness of the day.
Speaker:Awareness of yourself, reflecting on, you know,
Speaker:yesterday, the day before. It's just, I Love,
Speaker:reflection. To me, that's where people grow. Some people don't like
Speaker:it because, like, you say, ruh row. It might. It might call us out
Speaker:because it forces us to sit with the parts of ourselves that we do not
Speaker:think. You're so pretty. So you mean to tell me that I shouldn't wake up?
Speaker:Holy crap. Running. Getting down the high I4 as fast as
Speaker:you can. My pronouns are always and, late, and you. And just like. Just,
Speaker:you know, like on the way. I'm like, wow, how lovely. I'm like, just imagine
Speaker:taking like three minutes for yourself in the morning. I can't. I can't
Speaker:either. I can't. But. Well, there's also a screaming baby in my situation, so
Speaker:that's. She's in. That she's in those throes of life. But, you know, it's funny,
Speaker:you bring up solitude. And we actually had a series. It was called SOS
Speaker:the first S was for stress, then overwhelming anxiety. I've heard of it. And
Speaker:then the last S we came up with was on solitude because we are
Speaker:just. We're so great. I feel like, at articulating what the problem is. Like,
Speaker:I feel some sort of way or, you know, like all that, but we don't
Speaker:really, like, what's the solution? Like, how do we. Okay,
Speaker:stop. Are we comfortable with ourselves? What do we want to do?
Speaker:Like, maybe I've been meaning to. I wanted to just take a calligraphy
Speaker:class and just kind of like, zone on or listen to a podcast or do
Speaker:something. Like you said, it's not just bubble baths and aromatherapy. I like that because
Speaker:that is what you think. Self care is so overrated. It's not. It's.
Speaker:I know. It's just. It's like a. It's like a way to make yourself feel.
Speaker:It'd be okay to be lazy a little bit. Like, I'm just gonna Netflix and
Speaker:just veg out and snack. But sometimes that is. I mean,
Speaker:that is because you say it's like a cell phone,
Speaker:right? So. Well, one that answers your question is you retrain the nervous
Speaker:system. It's not easy. You have to literally, like,
Speaker:it's say an electrician.
Speaker:You call an electrician. You're like, something's funky with this house. I don't know. The
Speaker:lights keep flickering. This outlet doesn't work. This one's done blown up,
Speaker:you know, I don't even know. And they say, okay, we need to rewire your
Speaker:whole electrical system. You're not getting rid of the whole house. Right.
Speaker:You're not just. You're saying, okay, this is part of it. It
Speaker:just needs rewiring. So we have to rewiring. And that may, you
Speaker:know, it takes a little bit of time. It takes some investment,
Speaker:but now everything's going to be connected in a safe
Speaker:way. But as we grow, as we talked about,
Speaker:we develop our own wiring system. This is how.
Speaker:This is how I'm wired. You hear people say all the time, this is how
Speaker:I'm wired. This is just how I'm wired. But we have to rewire some.
Speaker:Some things because eventually, you know, like everything else,
Speaker:it's gonna. It's gonna get the wear and tear on it to where it's not
Speaker:gonna be able to function. So rewiring the nervous system
Speaker:is not an easy feat. I was gonna say, tell us how about that?
Speaker:Well, that. That's a complicated. That's like five podcasts.
Speaker:But. But a lot of it is. Is retraining the
Speaker:mindset. Awareness. I do an ABC method. So
Speaker:awareness is the first one that is the greatest gift you can ever
Speaker:give someone, because once they're aware of it, it doesn't go
Speaker:away. You cannot unsee, you cannot unhear it. You can try and
Speaker:push it down, but it will still be embedded deep
Speaker:down in there. We all know, we've been told things.
Speaker:And you're like, okay, okay, I can't unsee that. I can't unhear that.
Speaker:And especially if it's about yourself
Speaker:or lend some sort of information into
Speaker:the problem, you're going to be aware of
Speaker:it. And that, like I said, that awareness is enough to start
Speaker:the journey. So it's. That has to start. And then behavioral
Speaker:change, so the behavior changes, then come after it
Speaker:again. It takes a little bit, right?
Speaker:And then the change that we see is the consistency. And
Speaker:that's when you start to develop. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh,
Speaker:my God, one day you wake up and you're like, my wiring system is
Speaker:different. Old me would have not reacted that way.
Speaker:Old me would have done this. But we.
Speaker:We love old me. We celebrate her because. Or he.
Speaker:He. Whoever, because they got me through.
Speaker:That's that it got me through at the time. So you go back. It's
Speaker:not about shame. Change is never about shame.
Speaker:And your, Your growth is not linear
Speaker:and. And change. It comes with ebbs and floats. It's not ever going
Speaker:to be just this perfect trajectory. You're going to have
Speaker:setbacks, you're going to have defaults, because we are on a default switch,
Speaker:especially with parenting the default is, oh, this is how my parents
Speaker:parented me. Or it's the exact opposite. Right.
Speaker:And. And so we have to retrain ourselves to,
Speaker:to learn new methods. So it's really about mindset first.
Speaker:And then somatic exercises is the other
Speaker:trauma is felt in the body. And I do want to get about onto
Speaker:trauma because it's such a buzzword right now, like trauma healing,
Speaker:all of these things, like the word narcissist, all, all these mental
Speaker:health words that are just sort of floating out there.
Speaker:But trauma's felt in the body and trauma doesn't. It's not necessarily something that
Speaker:happened to you. There's big T trauma and little T trauma.
Speaker:Big T trauma are like always in a wretch. You
Speaker:know, something unfortunate happened to me. But it's, it's not even
Speaker:that that causes the trauma. It's the result
Speaker:of the act that happened within us
Speaker:that creates the narrative, that creates the trauma. And that's when we live
Speaker:with it. But the good news is, is, remember I talked about the wound, a
Speaker:physical wound, an emotional wound, it can be healed, but it just,
Speaker:it first has to be recognized. It's like if you went in
Speaker:and you're a surgeon and you, you open it up and you're like, oh, there's
Speaker:a tumor. I found a tumor. God forbid, right? You wouldn't be like,
Speaker:okay, let's just, let's just close it back and pretend it's not there. And
Speaker:we'll just pretend it's not there and then maybe it'll go away. That's what
Speaker:people do with their problems. No, it's not. It's just going to
Speaker:metastasize and you can hide it, you can pretend it's not there.
Speaker:We can put a tarantula under the blanket and cover it up and be like,
Speaker:no spider underneath here. But at some point, it's not going anywhere.
Speaker:We call it skeletons in the closet. Shove them in there all day long, they're
Speaker:just going to be waiting for you. So if people do not address
Speaker:the things in their life that are not meant for them,
Speaker:that are not for them, that are causing them pain, that are creating
Speaker:mindsets that are giving them these electric
Speaker:behaviors or these dissociative behaviors, because some people
Speaker:dissociate or they go into low level
Speaker:coping mechanisms, you know, drinking, substance abuse. So they go into
Speaker:really high level coping mechanisms which may be
Speaker:achievements and show and, you know,
Speaker:work or whatever it is, at some point you have to sit
Speaker:with it. At some point, you cannot outrun it
Speaker:forever. It's because it's not going anywhere. So the
Speaker:sooner you commit to uncovering all of the
Speaker:things that are not for you, all of the things that are keeping you from
Speaker:growing, that's. That's when you
Speaker:can really start that rewiring process. And I. I think
Speaker:it starts with awareness. But again, trauma's felt in the body,
Speaker:and so I will notice some people if I. If I asked you about a
Speaker:specific topic. I watch your hands, I watch how you touch your face.
Speaker:I watch how you tense up. And then we do the somatic
Speaker:exercises to move people out of the body back into the present.
Speaker:So if you ever see someone with special needs, they're always moving or
Speaker:rocking. That allows them to stay alert.
Speaker:I have a son who has ADHD and looking at the
Speaker:EEG during neurofeedback, if he sits
Speaker:still, his brain goes into theta, but if all of a sudden I
Speaker:ask him to wiggle his toes and his finger, he moves right back up to
Speaker:alpha. So that's why children who are trying to focus in school,
Speaker:they can tap their pencil or tap their leg, or if you see someone
Speaker:who's constantly moving, that's so that they can pay attention
Speaker:because the movement moves you out
Speaker:of. Of that. That feeling or that, you know,
Speaker:wired. Yeah, whatever. Whatever you're feeling,
Speaker:yeah, it's very interesting. It's all tied together, but the body does feel
Speaker:it first, for sure. Yeah, the body feels it before you can even
Speaker:even think it because it's. It's embedded into the. It's your nervous system.
Speaker:It controls everything. That's why you get that zing up your back.
Speaker:You know, you get a physical or that pit in your stomach
Speaker:during an experience, your body literally
Speaker:responds. So that's why we scream
Speaker:or we shout or we cry or we slam something.
Speaker:And that's, like I said, that's the check engine light. You're like, well, let me
Speaker:take a second. Let me find some awareness. Meditation
Speaker:doesn't always have to be. Like I said, it can just be a good pulse
Speaker:in the moment. Let me just stop and remember. Not, not.
Speaker:What's wrong with me? What am I feeling? What
Speaker:am I feeling? Get curious about that. And of all things to get
Speaker:curious about is yourself. We're really quick to look at someone else and be like,
Speaker:oh, you know, she's this, or she's mad or she shouldn't have
Speaker:acted that way. But spotting it in ourselves before
Speaker:we do it, I call it catching your pebble. If there's a pebble at the
Speaker:mountain, and then it keeps going down and keeps going down. It gets bigger and
Speaker:bigger and bigger and collects, and then you get an avalanche. But if you can
Speaker:catch your pebble before it drops, that's. It's something
Speaker:I tell the kids. Okay, catch your pebble. Right. And
Speaker:the whole. You know, you'll see them take those moments, whatever they're
Speaker:feeling, and then they can work through it. But there's. There's a
Speaker:million different somatic exercises that people
Speaker:can do. Deep breathing is honestly
Speaker:the very first one. Taking the pause and whether you have to.
Speaker:4, 3, 2. You know.
Speaker:Yeah. 4, 3, 2, 1. 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 3, 2. Like in your
Speaker:fingers, whatever is going to get you back into the movement of the
Speaker:present and get you out of whatever you were thinking. Because we tend to
Speaker:catastrophize things sometimes, and then we react based
Speaker:off of what, you know, what we're seeing and feeling at the
Speaker:time. But, yeah, one that I always come back to is I worked at a
Speaker:summer camp many moons ago, and our. Camp director
Speaker:told us. She was like, when we have a situation, because we were dealing with
Speaker:kids, obviously, and you wanted to figure out how to
Speaker:respond instead of react. And that has been something that has stuck with
Speaker:me. It's like, all right, this is the situation that I'm at. Like, the
Speaker:reaction would be like, oh, my God, you know, like grabbing something or stopping or
Speaker:whatever. And it's like, no, but what should the response be? And I always try
Speaker:to think of that. And it's. It. To me, a lot of it is. It's
Speaker:that taking that, like, even just one second. Like, one second, and say
Speaker:it's the pause and just, okay, we're gonna respond to this.
Speaker:And hopefully that brings that level back down. Yeah. You can
Speaker:be busy without hurting. Right. It's that sense
Speaker:of panic, the hurry. You know, the world's gonna end. Yeah.
Speaker:If I don't do these things. And at the end of the day, it really
Speaker:won't. It never does. Think of. Think back into our
Speaker:life. What have we not been able to
Speaker:push through or navigate at some point? Yes. Whether we
Speaker:needed CO regulation and help to do it. We were built for one
Speaker:another. We were built for a community. And that's why
Speaker:I hate seeing anyone ever struggle.
Speaker:I want you to find connections. Right. We talked about connections. To me,
Speaker:that's the driving force in life. We were here for one another. It's
Speaker:the greatest command in scripture, you know, love one another as I have
Speaker:loved you. And that's. That's it. That's. That's all you really ever have to do.
Speaker:So if you ever doubt your purpose in life, it's that, it's
Speaker:that love other people, you know, and I, and. I do feel
Speaker:that through, in our, in our particular example here, Body by
Speaker:bariatrics. Yes. The singular forces that
Speaker:people of all different, you know, demographics, what have you
Speaker:have this singular weight struggle. Yeah. And through
Speaker:that struggle, there's commonality and we do have support
Speaker:groups and we do have community. And that's something that we did such. A good
Speaker:job with. That. Well, that's, that is everything though,
Speaker:because our results are, you know,
Speaker:patient satisfaction, the experience, every single thing that has to even
Speaker:do with like a business or whatever, everything comes down to nurturing
Speaker:that community. And I think that that is, it's just really what it is. So
Speaker:if, you know a place that we want people to start is
Speaker:coming in, attending our virtual support groups, come to the in person meetups,
Speaker:like connect with somebody else. That through that shared experience,
Speaker:you're going to be able to hear things that resonate with you or share
Speaker:something that will help somebody else out. And I just think that that
Speaker:is so powerful and I'm glad that you, you bring that up. Well, that's part
Speaker:of their healing journey. It's like the surgery is just one aspect
Speaker:that's like, like the little like, okay, that's that. But it's the, the
Speaker:journey and what is happening to them. The transformation is not just
Speaker:physical. I mean this is, this is metaphysical. This is,
Speaker:this comes down to, I mean it is life altering
Speaker:for them. But a funny, I don't. Forgive me, I can't
Speaker:quote the study exactly. And when it was done, but when you talked about the
Speaker:community afterwards, that is the greatest gift that you're offering your patients. And
Speaker:I've always told you, you, what a great job you do after that because you
Speaker:could just turn people, you know, surgery after surgery. But you,
Speaker:you really do such a good job of creating that community
Speaker:that allows them to come together in that, that common
Speaker:bond. I mean, it really is a bond that people share,
Speaker:you know, once they've been through this journey. Because weight loss in and of
Speaker:itself is such a complex journey.
Speaker:And the struggle is, is,
Speaker:gosh, the toll that it takes. But here's the study. The study
Speaker:showed they put a rat in a
Speaker:cage. Mice rat. Like I said, don't quote me, but you get it.
Speaker:And they put cocaine in the water. And the,
Speaker:the mice or the rat would always go. And you know, they
Speaker:would, they loved it and they were so Addicted to it. And this was every
Speaker:day until eventually it was this peril. But they
Speaker:put mice and rats in a cage together,
Speaker:Same little bottles of cocaine. They never touched it.
Speaker:They never touched it because the community was all that they
Speaker:needed. They didn't have to have that, you
Speaker:know, the addiction or that. That dopamine hit, because
Speaker:having the togetherness and having the community
Speaker:around them, they didn't. They never went to the side
Speaker:of the wall that had the. The substance in it. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker:And they. They were perfect. Because that's the thing. It's like
Speaker:most of the time when people are suffering, it's somewhere
Speaker:within a connection, right?
Speaker:A loss. It is grief. And that's.
Speaker:Like I said, that's why I went separately into grief, because I'm like, wait a
Speaker:minute. It all, you know, corresponds and come together.
Speaker:There's a loss of something, whether it's a loss of self or another person that
Speaker:we're connected to, we're still having to greet that portion of us.
Speaker:But, yeah, community is it. That is where we find healing. That is
Speaker:where we nurture ourselves, our souls, which people don't tend
Speaker:to often enough. Like, we tend to the. To the mail,
Speaker:we tend to the bills. We tend to. But when do we ever
Speaker:stop and tend to our soul and nurture?
Speaker:And I call it the great recharge. And that's. If you look at the
Speaker:word depressed and depression. What do we do when we push
Speaker:something down? We depress it. So
Speaker:all it is is just feelings that have been pushed down. And depressed is
Speaker:also. Actually, this was Jim Carrey. It's deep
Speaker:rest. Depressed is deep rest. It's going into a
Speaker:state where we actually shut off and find that
Speaker:deep rest that we need that recharge. And so often
Speaker:people don't do it enough until they find themselves. Crash. It's like when you have
Speaker:a cell phone, you panic when it's on 1% and then you plug it
Speaker:in. No. Now we need to figure out a time
Speaker:to recharge ourselves enough so that we
Speaker:can operate the same way. We wouldn't expect a computer or a cell
Speaker:phone to operate and do everything we're asking it to do
Speaker:unless it has a charge. We can't do everything that we're expected
Speaker:to do and not experience burnout unless we find
Speaker:ways to plug our souls in and recharge.
Speaker:And the best way to do it is connection. That is the number
Speaker:one way to recharge. Or some
Speaker:form of solitude. But by the way, what is that? It's
Speaker:connecting to the self. Because you are your best friend
Speaker:and that. That, like teaching other people that, like, oh, I need somebody. No, when
Speaker:you can finally connect to this. So either way, your plugging in and
Speaker:you're connecting. Yeah. Yeah, I do
Speaker:too. Oh, man, I do feel like you're like, this could be like five
Speaker:podcasts, 100. I'm telling you, there's no way I could, I
Speaker:mean, regurgitate everything
Speaker:of this journey. Like metaphors, analogies. Yeah, we could.
Speaker:I. We could. We could go on. But at the end of the day, it's
Speaker:just. I think to sum it all up and to bottom line
Speaker:really comes down to, can you
Speaker:take an audit of your life?
Speaker:Can you sit and really start to assess?
Speaker:Are you willing to do the work? To stop
Speaker:and say, okay, what is it that I'm feeling?
Speaker:What is it that I. That I want to work on? Do I have goals
Speaker:and am I honoring those? And is my behavior in alignment
Speaker:with what I really want, or am I just moving on? Default,
Speaker:still upset, agitated, angry. You know,
Speaker:the signs and symptoms. Talk about that. Talk about signs and symptoms of burnout.
Speaker:You know, agitation, constant sleeping, and all these things. Like, are
Speaker:you willing to take an audit of your life and stop and
Speaker:say, maybe I need to reach out, to have someone help guide
Speaker:me and coach me through this, to give
Speaker:an unbiased professional opinion
Speaker:who's not someone swimming in my own soup. It's not my neighbor Mary or
Speaker:my cousin Jenny or my husband to really stop
Speaker:and shoot it to me straight and
Speaker:say, you know what? This is where we're at.
Speaker:It's bravery and courage to do that. Because like I said, we all know
Speaker:that there's areas of ourselves that we're covering or we're hiding.
Speaker:You know, whether it's areas of our body or whether it's aspects of our life
Speaker:or in finances. Everyone wants
Speaker:the show, but no one wants the vulnerability and
Speaker:authenticity that we so
Speaker:desire when it takes work. But those, unfortunately,
Speaker:are the keys and the gateway to joy. Yeah. And it's
Speaker:the hardest thing to do. And who doesn't want more joy
Speaker:with all of that? All right, so obviously you are going to be somebody that
Speaker:somebody could reach out to and they could use you as a service, and you
Speaker:are professional in this space. So if somebody wanted to do that, how would
Speaker:they find you? So you can visit my Instagram or Facebook.
Speaker:It's under I'm Chalmers McKay Hill. And then our
Speaker:Facebook is the Underscore Mentality Underscore
Speaker:Makeover. So the mentality Makeover. And
Speaker:I need to get better, by the way, at doing more. This has given me
Speaker:a lot of courage to do more podcasts and reels and things like that.
Speaker:You. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, you could have your own podcast. You should have your
Speaker:own workshop. I'm, like, already thinking of, like, multiple. She's already building
Speaker:another business for you. Because he might be an overachiever.
Speaker:Maybe, maybe. No, I share the same. I share the
Speaker:same brain. But. And then my website
Speaker:linked on there. You can. You can follow up via the website. My
Speaker:phone number, my email. Yeah. Or just shoot me a message.
Speaker:I love, you know, social media. Such a platform.
Speaker:People slide right on in those dms. Perfect. And then they can just get that
Speaker:discovery call going and either work with you or one of your
Speaker:colleagues. Obviously you have people that you can. Refer to and all of that. And
Speaker:so. And. And I love. I love this line of work.
Speaker:It really is a calling. It really is a passion. There is
Speaker:nothing more than I love to do.
Speaker:And to see, even. Even in design, like I said, is to see
Speaker:something. The messiest rooms, the craziest, most scariest faces
Speaker:never scared me. I was like, oh, my God, I can't wait to take this
Speaker:into the potential and the beauty that it is. And that
Speaker:is people. There's such a passion because everyone is good inside.
Speaker:Everyone is doing their best. And even if it doesn't show,
Speaker:there is just no shame in. In
Speaker:wanting to be better and in wanting to grow. And I hope that
Speaker:this resonates with people, and I hope that it touched people. I hope it
Speaker:helped people. I hope that it inspired them
Speaker:way to just, if anything, whether they reach out
Speaker:and don't help, just. Just hug yourself, you know, and.
Speaker:And give yourself so much grace and mercy that you're navigating the
Speaker:best you can and that you'll eventually find
Speaker:your path and find yourself as long as you stay committed
Speaker:to the one person who's never going to leave your side. And that's you. Yeah.
Speaker:So. Well, great. Well, thank you so much for being here. We
Speaker:definitely will have to bring you back. And we're so excited
Speaker:just to see, you know, we're going to see our patients. They're gonna be like,
Speaker:I reached out to her. She's amazing. Like, we're gonna get all those messages too.
Speaker:So thank you in advance for that. Yes, absolutely. And,
Speaker:well, as always, you can find us on Instagram at the weight loss collab at
Speaker:Body by bariatrics@hannah schuyler.rd Dr. Dovak,
Speaker:we're everywhere. So thanks again. For coming and
Speaker:for your time. It was awesome. Yes. That was so great. And we see
Speaker:everyone next time. See you. Bye.
